Just before Christmas I went to a major hospital away from where we lived, and I had an appointment there to see one of the oncology team. I also saw a professor, who was leading a trial. They explained about the facts up until – you know, went over all the surgery I’d had, reiterated all the things the surgeon had told me, but added into that the news that out of the fourteen lymph nodes two had cancerous activity. I didn’t know at that stage whether that was good, bad or indifferent, but I wasn’t, you know, I wasn’t very happy about that. Based on that, that’s why I was offered the chemotherapy, because there is a strong possibility if it’s reached the lymph nodes it’s on its way elsewhere. So I was then told the, the plan was to have six months of chemotherapy. Alongside that I was offered the chance, if I wanted to, to go into this clinical trial. And whilst I’d been waiting in the waiting room I’d read up about clinical trials, so I knew exactly what they were talking about. I asked a few pointed questions. It was all taped, by the way, so we could take the tape away, listen to all the questions, listen to all the things the professor had mentioned. We also had it all in writing as well, so we could read it. Which was really, really helpful, because I asked a friend whos a doctor of our, a doctor friend of ours to read through it.

She did some research. We researched it and we had about, I think, two weeks. We went back to see him, at which point he wanted an answer as to whether we were going to go through with it or not. We were explained to us that it’s a six-month chemo anyway, but the trial would be a twelve-month trial. So for the first six months I’d be on both, for the latter six months just the clinical trial. They explained all the side effects and everything. And after much discussion in the family, thinking about the impact on the children, and if all these side effects did materialise what impact that would have on us as a family with no extended family to call upon, I thought it was too selfish of me to ask for that. But my children said, Look, Mum, we’d put our lives on hold for a year if it means that you’re going to be better at the end, if you’ve got a better chance of survival So I ended up deciding to go into that.

At that point we were told it’s 50% of the people that are picked go on the trial, 50% don’t. It wasn’t a placebo, nothing like that. You’re either on it, or you’re on the trial but you’re not having the drug. They wanted to compare the two. It was a drug that has been used very, very successfully in advanced bowel cancer patients and they now want to trial it to see what the implications are of it on other bowel cancer patients.

FOOTNOTE’ Randomised trials are done when we don’t know which treatment is best, in other words when the relative merits and disadvantages of different treatments are uncertain. Of course trials are done because there is a possibility that a new treatment will be better than the standard or control treatment, and it may have already been shown to work for other conditions or groups of patients. However, trials are just as likely to find that new treatments are no better, or indeed worse.

Then I stayed on herceptin after the taxol regime had finished, and I was scanned, and the scans seemed to be showing things were stable, and this lasted for a year. And then suddenly, yet returning from the Edinburgh Festival once again, I was told that the tumour in liver had doubled in size. That was very dramatic, although on paper it doesn’t look that dramatic because it had gone down to 1.3 cm and it only went up to 2.7 cm, which of course was much less than the original, but it was still awful. And the oncologist said to me, You wouldn’t have felt anything, you wouldn’t have known any difference, but we recommend that you go onto this trial drug.

That at that point seemed to be the only option at the time*, and she left it entirely to me, and other people like my husband, to discuss whether or not I should go on the trial drug. Well, what would you do if you were handed a lifeline? It would have been very foolish, I think, to have refused that, and I felt very privileged to be able to go through it.

The first session – it’s tablets, which means that you don’t get a three-hour infusion, so in a way that’s better, but they have to work out the amount of tablets you should have depending on your weight and all sorts of things, and at the very beginning it’s experimental. Well, the first three weeks were pretty dire. At the end of the third week two of my toenails had come off and that was extremely painful. If it’s not losing your hair, losing your toenails is not a particularly viable option, but that was really very nasty. I had lots of horrid diarrhoea, which was copeable with because I had tablets for that, but it was not much fun, and in fact I was taken off the tablets and everything for two weeks while my body had a chance to recover, because it can be cumulative, and then the side effects can be worse in the end, and so it’s not worth it.

Anyway, we settled down to a happy regime, and the tablets have been varied, depending on my weight and how I’ve been reacting. Fortunately, the first scan after the first two sets of treatments showed that the cancer in the liver had reduced back to where it had started, in fact it went down to somewhat smaller – 1.2 cm – so that was very encouraging, so I forgot about the rotten old toenails. And then the next scan, which took place after two more treatments, showed that my condition was stable even though it had gone up by 1 mm they still reckoned that was stable, and happily it’s been stable ever since.

*FOOTNOTE’ At the time Pam agreed to take part, the drug was only available as part of this study.

Different psychiatrists gave me various antidepressants and at a certain stage they said to me, Pharmacology doesn’t work for you, therefore we are discharging you. That was it. That was no consolation. I wanted to hold my job, I wanted to live. I still had ambition in my heart, I still want to go on.

As I was so desperate, I tried alternative remedies, acupuncture, acupressure, homeopathy, reflexology – you name it. But of course these alternative therapies they make exorbitant claims. And no proper clinical trials or any of these things. Although my doctor and others in the traditional medicine warned me about this, I thought, One in a million chance it may work The only net result was none of them worked, only it lightened my wallet, end of the day, and that was it.

So one day when I was reading newspapers, I see this advert’ Clinical Trial, need volunteer, and that is when I thought, Well, nothing works. Let me even try this

Well, the prime reason was that a friend of mine did have prostate problems, cancer, and there was, you know, my family was sort of saying, well, I’m at the age group when you ought to be tested, though I know there is a lot of literature written about this particular subject and it’s almost debatable as to whether you, there’s an advantage of knowing, because a treatment sometimes is debatable as to whether there’s a benefit or not. But I was interested, and because I felt that was a decision that I should make if I was, and so when it came up to alleviate the sort of pressure that the family put on you [laughs], I was quite happy to go ahead with it, putting my name forward. And those sort of things interest me. I mean, I don’t have an issue.

And you mentioned earlier about retiring and it being a way of —

Oh yes, yes. No, I think that is also an influence, I mean you know to get a trip over and see another – well, in this case it was a fair journey to go to where their testing took place. And you know, you meet new people, you talk about different things, and that’s always of an interest to me. And therefore I think I like to keep busy, so it fitted in to the, my mental [laughs] at the time. You know, I sort of felt that would be a good thing to do.

Kind of–

To fill the day out a bit more–

Mm.

before I got too busy on other things, which I have now [laughs].

[laughs] Mm. And often with these trials there’s a mixture of motivation for people. A bit of it’s about wanting to do it for yourself, maybe as you say about wanting to do it for your family, sometimes just wanting to support medical research. How would you say those balanced out in your case?

Oh, a selfish one, I think, primarily. Not, I’m not talking about going for putting my name forward for various trials, but this particular one that we’ve been talking about today primarily. Yes, I was wanting to know whether this might be, you know, a help to me because of the obvious disadvantages with the current method of help that, you know, Viagra or whatever. I mean, they work but it’s very cold blooded, and quite often there’s a very significant delay, and quite often that delay is not acceptable [laughs].

So tell me about what your motivations were for taking part. What was the most important thing for you?

I think because I’d had emergency, an emergency caesarean and, you know, I’m quite a large frame, I had quite a small baby – well, a small baby relative to my size – and almost felt that I’d failed because I couldn’t deliver her normally. My first child wasn’t, it was not a normal delivery. And you think, Oh, maybe it was I was too much of a wimp and I didn’t push hard enough, or maybe, you know, it was my fault. And I do think, you know, speaking to people whove had caesareans as well, you do feel a bit of a failure, because you didn’t do it normally. And then there’s other people just go in and they [clicks fingers] pop their babies out and it’s not a problem.

So you do feel that you’ve failed in that way, although the medical people tell you, you know, This is why we did it and, no, you’re not a failure, but you still, you know, you have one conversation with the surgeon afterwards or something and then you sort of forget it, because you’ve just had a caesarean. So I think from that point of view it was to make you understand all the things that can, well, maybe go wrong in a normal delivery, maybe understand, you know, why caesareans are done, and it was just really to, for me – well for us – that second time around that we could make a clear decision about what we wanted to do. And then it, like I said, you know, it’s just better to have more facts, more information, for you to be able to think it, think it through and decide what you want to do, so.

So it was really the benefit of having that extra information was, was the main attraction for you?

Yes, because you can – that’s it. And I’m sure most, like most women when you’ve been pregnant you’ve got so many things going on in your mind, so many things when you go and see your doctor, your consultant or your midwife, and, well, you know, you have – really you have to write all your questions otherwise you forget them. But it’s better to, for then you would be able to then sit down yourself and go through it. You can discuss all the things with the person, the medical person, but then you can actually sit back in your own time and go through it again* and just, you know – and if you want to go through it again and again you can, because it’s there, it’s accessible and it’s in your own home. You’ve got plenty of time to do it, and it just makes it easier.

*Footnote’ The decision aid information was shown to women on a laptop by a researcher, and was also available on a website for women to look at again when they wanted to.

What, looking back, would you say were your main reasons for wanting to take part?

Well, the fact that it specialised in something I had, a problem I had, and these were people who were specialising in that subject. So they were – well, I suppose they knew more what they were talking about, to put it, you know, put it bluntly [laugh]. It tended to be they gave you much more time. You went there and they took say nine or ten readings, which gave them a much more accurate reading of your blood pressure. Whereas your GP would only have time for one, usually just one reading, and very often it’s much higher than you’d expect, you know. What tends to happen is the first one’s high, the second one’s slightly lower and then the third and fourth ones are a little bit lower still, and then they, it starts to level off. So it’s a much more accurate way of, you know, finding the reading. And, yeah, I mean it’s so relaxed. You know, you’d there for about an hour, two hours. If you’re giving blood, you had to fast for twelve hours, so you had sort of tea and toast and biscuits and all that afterwards [laugh]. And you just felt you were being well looked after. You know, I wasn’t rushed in and rushed out.

Did, were you at all thinking about the wider importance of research for the rest of society? Or was that not really an issue in your decision?

Well, I suppose I was, but to be honest I think it’s more of a sort of personal thing, you know. I mean, I was glad other people can benefit from what they’ve found out. That’s a general thing. But at the same time it’s helping me. it’s my personal, you know, it’s a problem I had. So I was quite happy to do it. But I suppose, yeah, it, it does, it does make you feel better knowing you’re, you’re helping other people. Yeah.

They did a, they did the x-ray first and somebody must have looked at it. I don’t know. I think I was, I think I was told I need a CT scan but the scanner was very busy and I can expect it to happen in a weeks time. And then I think at about, in a couple of hours’ time I was seen by a consultant and his team, and the heel fracture trial team, and I gave my consent, yes, immediately. Why not?

And that’s, I am a scientist myself so I understand very well why it’s needed. And then miraculously the CT scan was done within a couple of hours [laughs]. So I don’t know if that’s a coincidence, but I started seeing a benefit almost immediately. Well, I sort of felt, I mean obviously it shouldn’t matter, but I somehow felt that maybe it’s just psychologically for me, but I felt I am getting somehow slightly more attention because, because I’m not only looked at by the consultant but there is a whole team of people who are actually interested in me. And, and I’m also useful for their research, and my, my kind of fracture is exactly the thing that they are studying.

Have you felt that throughout the trial, that you’ve had special attention, better care in some way?

Not better care, no. I’m sure it wouldn’t be any worse otherwise. More attention? Well, maybe – again I don’t, I didn’t have any serious medical problems before, so I don’t really know what to compare it against. And obviously this is not one of the most serious medical problems that people have, and obviously it, it doesn’t deserve more attention than it’s getting, but – well, probably, I don’t know. Probably, maybe.

The thing that I found most interesting was that I actually had never been given a proper diagnosis before, and I’d gone to this unit and I’d been given a proper diagnosis. I’d been offered the most up-to-date treatment, which seemed to have, the early results were quite encouraging, people seemed to do well. And that my psychiatrist was quite encouraging, whereas before the other psychiatrists who had treated me were quite negative and quite pejorative actually towards me. He was, he didn’t see me as difficult. He saw me as challenging and complex, but not difficult.

And it was his area of expertise. And that made me feel as a patient that, that there was some hope for me, whereas traditionally in the past I was seen as, as someone quite difficult. It, it was really nice to be with a team who were really quite encouraging. They weren’t just doing it in terms of a research thing, but also because they had a genuine compassion and interest for people to get well. And they were researching this subject because they only wanted to offer the very best treatment, not just treatment that they didn’t know where it was going. And for me that, that was very encouraging.

As, I was in treatment for, in the day unit for three years and that, for that time, that’s when the trial sort of went on. And there were some people who opted out. And my own view was that was sad, because I think that, you know, every person who had the chance should have entered, because even if treatment wasn’t successful for them, that we, it could have been explored within, as part of the research process, to find out a bit more about, about what does and doesn’t work.

I did sort of feel a little bit that – I know he’s a very busy man, I never saw that chap again after the time I said I’d like to go on the trial. And I sort of thought, Yes, okay, you’ve sold it to me and now you’ve gone Because the funny thing was family members had said, Wow, you’re going to get really looked after. A professor. And, you know, he’s doing all these studies and he’s really well up on cancer, in a cancer hospital. You’re going to get so well looked after And I tended to think that as well. That was one of the plusses. So that even if I hadn’t had the drug, I was on the trial, I would be really well looked after. I did sort of feel that once I’d made that decision, it was a bit like buying a car, the after-sales service, I thought, it was, it was okay. I mean, I can’t say I complain about it. I did feel that you were rushed. You, every time you went every three weeks to get your treatment you would not have a lot of time to talk about issues. It was a quick tick list. Have you, hows, how bad are your feet? How bad are your hands? Have you had the runs? How often have you had the runs Which is why they’re, they obviously have to take that for their own records, and if it had been too much they might have reduced the dosage. But I was lucky, really, that they never affected me that badly until the very last cycle, when obviously it accumulates into your system. I was very lucky that it didn’t, it never sort of stopped, I never had to stop, and I never had any reduced, apart from the last dosage. But I did feel that because of – and I assumed that – the strains on the NHS, the amount of cancer patients going through that hospital, they didn’t have a lot of time for you to discuss your worries. They did have a phone call line you could ring, but often you’d get an answer machine and they’d ring you back. And if you were worrying about something, that seemed an increasingly long time to have to wait to get an answer. Because we were told, Come to us. don’t go to your GP because they won’t have a clue about what you’re talking about. We understand the symptoms. We’ll be able to tell you whether that’s something apart from the treatment or whether that’s linked to what, the treatment you’re having So I did sort of feel a bit – but that I could understand, they’re very, very hard pushed, there were a lot of patients going through that hospital. So I understood it.

If there was any chance of stopping the disease, or halting it for any length of time, I would give, I would want to give myself that chance. If I said, No, I don’t want to. I don’t want to do this, I think I could have had regrets, saying, Well, if I’d have done that, perhaps I would have still been here. You know, once you start getting ill, Well, if I’d have done that, perhaps I’d have stood a better chance. Perhaps it would have slowed down the disease. And there would have been lots of ‘what ifs. I’m not into ‘what ifs. I want to be positive, and I think anybody that knows me will say that I am a very positive person. I’ve had lots of knocks. I’ve had lots of things that I could have said, Well, why me? But you pick yourself up, and you’ve got to look to the future. You, you can’t, you can’t look and think, Well, why did that happen? These things, things happen in life. Why me? I’ve done that. Why me? But when I’m feeling, if I’m feeling down then yes I do, do think, Why? You know, Why is it me? What have I done wrong to deserve this when there’s so much going on in this world that it could be somebody else? But [sighs] when I think logically and positively, then I think, Well, yes, it’s got to happen to somebody. It’s happened to me. I’ve got to get on with it. I want to do lots more things in this life and if I’m to do those then I’ve got to take the chance of these trials.

So your main reason for taking part is about taking every chance for your own–

Yes.

–benefit.

Plus the fact it might help – if it doesn’t help me, it might be something that will help somebody else, and if it helps somebody else to save them going through the trauma that I’ve been through, then I’m, I’m happy to do it. If it, if it helps anybody, you know – it might be it might be a friend, it might be a relation, it might be somebody I don’t, don’t ever have contact with or know, or know that it’s helped them – but if I’ve done this and it does help somebody, then all well and good. There’s a purpose to it.