Very much so you know you learn to be observant in terms of your body, how your body’s operating, but also you learn to be very disciplined in what you eat, and that also has a huge influence in terms of, you know, what effect it has on you. So I tend to prefer going for the dry foods, you know your dried meats, your white meats, beef yes but then you stay away from things like bacon and fatty sausages and so forth. Because one of the other problems you have with diabetes is that it becomes much more difficult to control your body weight. The net result of that is that it affects your blood pressure, and that also can be a problem, so you then have to manage the sugar content of your food, and the fat content of your food so that, you know.

And, and by instinct you then learn to read the labels – as soon as [laughs] you want to eat something the first thing you read is the label – you know what is the sugar content of a drink. So those sorts of things then come into play in terms of making sure you don’t set yourself off. Now and then I get tempted and [laughs] and the sugars go high a bit but, because you know, you learn to control it, you can bring it down quickly enough, either in terms of the food you eat to try and absorb, or in terms of the frequency of eating.

As I was saying, you know the third aspect (the first aspect is in terms of the sugar content, the second aspect is in terms of the fat content) the third aspect that I always monitor is the metabolism rate, because that relates to your food digestion and that relates to your body weight and your blood sugar, and your blood pressure. So, you learn to play the tricks and know the rules.

How do you know your metabolism rate?

I don’t have a medical or official calculation but I just notice, because I weigh myself regularly, so I know that if I know for a fact that if I eat a lot of bread I pick up a lot of weight, so I’ve cut out bread altogether and I stick to other things, but now and then when I do eat bread I notice that, you know I’m a bit more bloated and my weight picks up. So, and even the scale tells me that, you know I’ve put on a bit more weight, so it’s my interpretation I could be wrong, I could be wrong but I think, [clears throat] that’s where I know that my metabolism is sort of like, [in] a direct relationship, so when I eat the lighter foods or the easier foods I don’t pick up any weight. So I have to check my weight, you know, every other day literally, yeah.

So what kind of food do you eat?

Now, see, in the morning along with tea, I always eat roti [Indian flat bread], because my sugar goes down in the morning, so you feel like eating something. So, I don’t eat bread, I eat roti, and inside I put margarine, but I don’t fry it. So I eat that with tea, sometimes with a bit of pickle, or if not pickle then I may take some cooked vegetables with it, and eat it all together. So now I’m not hungry, I ate in the morning. Now about 3 or 4pm, at 3’30pm, I’ll have tea, then with the tea I may eat some toast. Or if I don’t feel like having toast then I may have some chevda [gujrati snack, crunchy spicy a bit like corn flakes but savoury], only sometimes, not all the time, sometimes I feel like having something crunchy so then I have some. I can’t have the one with lots of chilli because with my pills for my blood pressure.

I maybe eat a biscuit, or a couple of biscuits. But most of the time I’ll eat some bread, not anything else, that works the best, it satisfies my hunger so, then I don’t eat this and that, you understand what I mean? So that’s it. And then in the evening I make fresh food, vegetables or dal and vegetables, whatever I want to eat. Sometimes I cook chicken, but I don’t put that much oil, sometimes in the oil onions, if I fry them in oil, then I drain all the oil, and after draining the oil properly then I cook the vegetables. So that is it, you just have to be a bit careful, so apart from that bhaji etc., we only have it occasionally, sometimes after 2 months we’ll have it once, also samosas and so on are all off the menu, crisps also, all that is off. Just one thing, chevda, is what I like so that I eat sometimes. So then this is how my life is these days [laughs].

And by changing your diet, do you feel any different?

I do feel a difference. I do feel a lot more energetic and that sort of thing, because I think the sugar levels are being controlled. And the thing is before I used to eat any time, whenever I feel like it, but now I’ve got a timing on everything, what time I have to eat and what sort of things I have to eat. I have to make sure [and] by doing that, controlling my diet and everything, that has made a lot of difference to me. So I do feel a lot more energetic what I used to be and feel a lot more healthier.

What do you mean by timing?

Timing because there are certain things like before I didn’t used to have any breakfast or anything like that. You know, I used to eat in the evening or, you know, afternoon, whenever I feel like it. But now I know being a diabetic person I have to have breakfast, only certain food. And then I have to have a certain time my lunch and dinner, just to make sure my diet is all controlled. Not like, you know, when I feel like it I eat it. Because if I do that, my sugar levels go high or low, either way. Just with being a balanced diet, I know I’m going to have breakfast in the morning, that will keep my sugar level right till lunchtime. When I have, at lunchtime they’ll keep me there. And with taking the medicine, that will help me a lot as well. Because the thing is that the medicine I’m taking in the morning and the evening, that keeps the sugar level balanced, you know. If I eat say any time my food or something like that, that will affect the sugar level a lot. Because if I, say if I eat at 10 oclock or something like that, you know, instead of breakfast or something like that and the timing between the, my breakfast and my lunch is very short, that sort of things, that will affect all my sugar level. Because by 10 oclock my sugar level will be down. If I have food at that time, obviously I’ll be hungry, I’ll eat a bit more, and that makes my sugar level a lot more higher. So I have to make sure my timing and my, all my food and everything is right, you know, all balanced out.

So can you describe your diet in some detail?

It’s a normal healthy diet. I have goneI swing from being ultra careful to perhaps not being as good as I ought to. But I don’t, theres no fad foods with me or sugar-free jams and, you know, all the rest of it, just a normal healthy diet. Weetabix or Shreddies or something for breakfast. At the moment because I’m on a diet, I have two apples and a banana for lunch. And then the wife cooks a good wholesome evening meal. I tend to you know, I’m one of these people that I can’t have one digestive biscuit, I have to have half a dozen you know. So I try not to, you know sneak out into the kitchen at sort of 9 oclock at night. But yes, a normal healthy diet. Alcohol – I love red wine – but I only drink that on a weekend. I don’t smoke. So, yes, so theres no special diet, just a healthy diet that we should all eat. High carbohydrate, low sugar, low fat.

So I mean if you could just imagine somebody who maybe doesn’t know this, then how would you describe this high carbohydrate/ low sugar diet?

Bread, pasta, potatoes, boiled potatoes are okay. Cut out all the fried food, the crisps and the chips, and all the sugary, you know, saturated sugar food. So yes, but theres no need to go out buying sugar-free this and sugar-free chocolate and all the rest of it. Because it’s, generally if it’s sugar-free it’s full of fat anyway. So, yes, and takeaway foods are a once-a-month treat. But yes, cut out the fats and the sugars, that’s the main thing. And plenty of pasta, potato, bread, in the right proportions. And obviously five pieces of fruit a day. Which in fact I do quite enjoy fruit. I eat too many bananas. I should only have one banana a day, but I’ll sometimes have two or three. Because they’re quite high in natural sugar. Which I didn’t realise till a while ago, so I was eating a banana thinking I’m doing the right thing, but in fact it wasn’t.

I find if I just consume or eat the things which are good for me or avoid the things which I shouldn’t have. I am not dogmatic about it. If I am somewhere invited or somebody wants to do something cooked for me for instance when I’m going to, going to work on a portrait of a person they always lay on a sumptuous tea with beautiful lace doilies and cream cake, cakes and that, a feast, a feast. I stick to the wholemeal bread, avoid the jam [laughs]. And all this kind of thing. And but then, then a little piece of chocolate just to please them. I’m not dogmatic about it because I know it doesn’t harm me.

I had a little sheet what to eat – as I just say – more fruit, more vegetables, wholemeal cereals or fruit. I don’t have cereals except I have porridge or wheat, shredded wheats. Re-educate my palate more or less. So cottage cheese, yoghurts, this kind of thing, baked potato with yoghurt, thick Greek yoghurt and herbs in it which is nice, which is really nice.

So to re-educate the palate, little things but I don’t feel that I deprive myself in any way. If it does me good fine. Because I don’t really feel ‘I can’t have this, I’m diabetic,’ no, no.

They gave me enough information so far and to know more not how shall I say this, I know enough about it actually. And I feel the fabric of your body as such if you put in quality food, then it keeps the fabric whole. So it’s, it’s like a woven cloth, when you wear it out, it tears you see, so this sort of thing. And I think I’m going in the right direction. That’s how I feel. I hope so.

When I was 10 years old, I was 10 stone. I’ve always been overweight. I was a premature baby – 5lbs something, and in the 1960s the way they got round that was to feed the baby, and feed the baby, and I was fed a lot and I was quite a fat child a fat child, fat toddler, fat child. Always, always big always, never known anything different. When I was about 11 or 12, my mother decided to put me on a diet of cabbage and onions [laughs] – and I did lose weight but I hated cabbage and onions after that [laughs].

So you, you were obviously overfed as a baby?

Yes.

What kind of diet did you have when you were growing up?

It was probably, oh, it was probably just basic. It wasn’t lots of junk food like it is nowadays because there wasn’t really that much junk food around. But it was probably quite, maybe not that healthy, I mean lots of sort of snack foods and my grandmother spoilt me to death. She used to do a lot of baking on a Sunday and we used to eat it all the week through then you know and so, and it was all the things you know, that people you know liked eating. I mean I can’t remember now sort of apple turnovers and apple pies and sort of you know like lots of pastry things she used to bake. So yeah it probably wasn’t that healthy.

I went on various diets; probably lost stones over the years but put it all back on again as soon as I stopped. You know, I went to various slimming clubs, tried all the diets that were the diet of the moment. And lost some, lost weight probably I mean probably lost a couple of stone each time 2 or 3 stone maybe, always put it all back on, and then a bit more [sighs].

It’s hard isn’t it. So what’s worked? What do you find has worked because you’ve obviously got your weight more under control?

Yeah. The thing that’s worked is not being on a diet! Because as soon I think as soon as you’re on a diet, and as soon as you say ‘diet’ you’re deprived, you want to eat the food that you think you’re not supposed to be eating. So now what I do, I only do healthy eating, and I don’t eat processed food. I never eat junk food, I don’t eat takeaways, I have 5 fruit and vegetables every day. All the time never, never ‘not do that’ always ‘do that. And I still overeat because I’m still overweight [and] I know I overeat. I’ve got you know, I’ve probably got a bigger appetite because I’m overweight – I don’t know – but I do overeat and I do know that still, but I’m not as bad as I used to be and I don’t eat all the things. I mean I used to eat like yoghurts – I don’t eat fruit yoghurts any more because they’ve got loads of sugar in them.

You know I’m very careful about what I eat really, and I’m very aware much more aware what’s hidden in foods. So I’ Yeah and I cook from scratch. I cook meat, vegetables, potatoes every day, and so that makes a big difference I think, because I used to get a lot of processed food.

So I read up a lot about low GI index foods and really realised that actually that was the kind of food that I liked eating. I actually like wholemeal bread, I like soups, I like pulses, I like healthy food. I don’t like a lot of sauces and things. And actually what I needed to do was to develop a lifestyle that would allow me to do that.

So the first day I did it, I amassed all this information and I got the right things. And the very next day my bloods dropped from 13 to 8, just literally overnight. And I thought ‘It works – it actually works. And then over the next I suppose two weeks it went down to about 5.5. And it now sort of goes between 5.1 and 7 depending on how good I am with the diet. And I talk about it as a diet, it’s actually a healthy way of life. I don’t feel as if I’ve had to give up a lot, because I still have the odd chocolate, the odd bar of chocolate, piece of cake, but in a much more planned way.

So I find that like today, I go to college on a Tuesday evening, and the food, it’s a small college, very very good food. And they always do afternoon tea with home-made cakes, and I allow myself a piece of cake on a Tuesday. But I will not have had a lot of food before I went. And when we have the main meal later on in the evening I will just balance it. Just about, you know, not having too many what I used to call the foods that are really, are comfort foods for me, like bread and potatoes and cakes, chocolate. So I think it was because it worked so quickly that it you know, encouraged me to go on.

I also knew I had to lose weight. And I realised that there isn’t a correlation between where my blood sugar levels are and weight loss. So although I had dropped from 13 to 5 in two weeks, I actually hadn’t lost any weight. And I really sort of thought, ‘Now why, what am I doing, why am I not? I’m not eating any processed foods; I’m eating fruit and veg and, you know, everything in its right quan-. And then I realised that I was eating too much. It was the quantity. It’s not actually what you eat so much, for me – I obviously can’t speak for everybody else – but for me it’s not what I eat, it’s how much. It’s the quantity. And so I cut my portions down, not ridiculously, but just cut them down, and I started to lose weight. And I have in the last six months lost over two stone in weight. So that’s coming, that’s another benefit as well. Although weight loss wasn’t a priority for me, it’s actually quite nice and it’s made me fitter.

The other response that I had as a fall out from the denial of diabetes was, ‘Well I am going to figure out how to eat bread and muffins and all those other things. And, you know, I’m a fairly keen amateur cook and I found ways of making low carb versions of these things. So, from time to time, I will make myself a low carb pizza base that’s mostly based on linseed. And the three of us will have a pizza fest when elder daughter is off with a friend or something like that.

And theres a kind of pasta – I don’t know if I’m allowed to mention brand names here – but theres a kind of pasta ‘Dream Fields’ pasta. It’s an American invention, patented. What they claim to have done is locked away the carbohydrate content somehow… God knows how, but it works for about half the diabetics I know who’ve tried it. You know, theres a couple hundred people who I talk to regularly on the diabetic forums. And for about half of them it works fine, and I’m one of them, luckily. So I’ve now discovered a source of buying this stuff in bulk in the UK, and you know, we eat it perhaps once or twice a month as a, as a nice change of pace.

I make my own bread now, again based on linseed and vital wheat gluten. Thank goodness I don’t have one of the common comorbidities which is coeliac because, you know that would really make my life very difficult. My tortillas are nicer than anything I can buy in the shops, I have a little stash of chocolate almond flour muffins in my freezer for when I need a muffin-fix. You know, I really do not go without anything these days. If I fancy it, I find a way of making it.

Ghee. Ghee we don’t take it on normal basis at all. You see we make chapatti and we put ghee like you put butter on your bread, I don’t cook with ghee at all. Now oil when we cook our vegetables we put a tablespoon of oil in it for the vegetables, so that maybe reduce a bit but it doesn’t happen because whatever oil you are putting is for two or three people to eat that vegetable so you might get a teaspoon.

But instead of eating three chapattis, we eat two chapattis. Just reduce your food intake, that is what I do. And fruit and vegetables are okay. We don’t eat eggs, no fish, no cheese, so only vegetables and plain flour what we, I mean, mould into chapatti and rice.

So where’s your protein?

Protein is from the dal.

Lentils?

Lentils. But as far as what I understand, too much protein is not good for us as well because that converts into carbohydrates, and then the breakdown of that is little heavier for the body to break it down to sugar level. So protein we try to not eat so much, a little bit less than normal.

It is difficult. I don’t smoke, I don’t drink very much – apart from having a glass of wine with a meal on a weekend evening – so can’t remember the last time I was over the drink-drive limit. So So you know I don’t have many vices in my world, and probably my only vice was a really good packet of liquorice allsorts or a really good meal. That was you know, the two things I really liked. And’ Annoyingly there’s a lot of help if you, a lot of help with people whose you know, their vice is alcohol or they’re you know, there’s lots of drugs and lots of free treatment. If your vice is smoking there’s lots and lots of different ways of getting off smoking prescribed to you and special nurses employed by the by your PCT etc., to help you out with all this sort of stuff. But if you if you eat too much, your only option really is to go to a place with a load of middle aged women and talk about how many pounds you lost over a packed lunch, which is the most… I tried, I did it, but it was just like nobody else is from my world in this room. Nobody else gets what life what my world is about here. This is just bizarre. And I just ended up being mothered by 30 middle-aged women, which was really quite depressing [laughs]. And so that was that really.

No, that’s not true, I have some great things in my life. I have a fantastic wife, I have brilliant children and I have the job I’ve always wanted to do. I have it all in some ways, but’ There’s that little thing that you want and you enjoy doing and that no one else knows about, and you know for some people it’s the crafty cigarette, for some people it’s a drink at lunchtime. For some there is something and I, and I really wish [laughs] I really wish it wasn’t true. I really wish I was a better, holier person and I suppose I should with my job title, but the reality is that they were taking away my vice. They were taking away, they were taking away my little thing, my [laughs] what you know, [laughs] you know, it’s not very sinful is it, a bag of sweets? But that’s what, that’s what, that’s what diabetes has done for me is taken away my weird enjoyment.

No Guinness punch, pineapple punch, yeah, I know. Pineapple punch, carrot juice and carrot juice that we make, that has condensed milk in it as well. Oh, I mean, they’re lovely drinks but obviously the amount of sugar in them. It’s just a no-no.

And what about the food itself that you’ve grown up on. What did you eat as a child?

I mean because my nurse has said to me if, if I’m going to have to have rice let it be basmati and not the easy-cook rice which is what I do cook a lot of the easy-cook rice but what I tend to do now, if I cook that, I won’t have none for myself. Because you know she says that’s high in sugar, where the basmati has got sugar but it wouldn’t be so high. I’ve got to get used to like the brown rice and I’ve bought the brown rice and it’s still sitting in my cupboard [laughs]. It’s never been opened. I bought brown pasta and I found that so dry and boring, you know.

I like a lot of coleslaw, I make my own coleslaw, but I put sugar in it [laughs]. You know, everyone loves it with sugar in, it just gives it that little, you know, so that I find hard. I mean I did go out and I bought some Canderel because it’s says suitable for diabetics and I made coleslaw on Sunday and I shoved that in it [laughs]. So

Any good?

Tasted all right but [laughs] not quite the same.

And what about kind of food you have for dinner?

Well I tend to make like lamb and pork, I don’t really tend to eat [those] myself now because obviously they’re quite fatty. My nurse has told me to avoid these and to eat things like chicken and turkey without the skin. So that is what I’ve tend to cook for myself and you know, I’ll cook them lamb or pork, you know, or stuff like that. And they don’t want what I’m cooking for myself because I have to have so much, I have a lot of vegetables as well. I love cheese, and my nurse has said to me not to do, and I love prawns and you know, they’re, she’s told me not to have prawns either, so I just find it hard. I found in the beginning I was really sticking to it well. I’d eat salmon, mackerel, chicken and turkey – because I hated turkey before – but she said to me try and eat turkey, that would be good for you. So I had turkey and no they weren’t interested in all these vegetables and things like that, they wanted their food.

And I found in as well, if I was cooking rice I wasn’t putting a lot of salt in, you know, oh no, they want salt in their rice, you know, so I just end up cooking something for them and something separate for me.

My diet changed now… My gosh, big, big time. I am not eating anything that has got flour in it. No fat. And no chocolate.

So what are you eating?

I am not eating anything I like at all. It’s all absolutely bloody disgusting (sorry I swore).

What kind of things’ What is the most disgusting meal that you have had to eat that you have prepared for yourself? Give me an example of something?

Really disgusting? Well, I’m having Bran Flakes with banana in which isn’t my sort of thing really. And I’ll have that for lunch sometimes, because I have had my Rice Krispies for breakfast. But I am trying to do the old fruit and veg thing you know. But like roast without the roast potatoes and Yorkshire pudding, it’s not the same really.

Can you not even have one roast potato?

Yeah, most probably. But I think, like it’s only been like this for the last two weeks. There’s no way I am living like this for the rest of my life. I can’t. You know, I have got to have treats now and again.

We went out for a meal on Saturday evening, and I had a starter and a main meal and my youngest son had chocolate fudge cake. And I said, ‘Can I have a mouthful please, just one?’ And he made such a fuss about giving me this one mouthful, but then his girlfriend gave me a mouthful, but in the meantime I had turned funny big time, I could have come home you know spoilt everybody’s night – that’s how much it meant, just having this one mouthful – but I knew that if I had had one to myself, I would have, you know, undone all my good work, and it’s never worth it. But that one mouthful was very, very nice indeed. I didn’t want to swallow it. I just wanted to keep it in my mouth. But apparently all these urges leave you if you stay off it long enough. But having said that, I have got my two tins of Roses [chocolates] all ready for Christmas.

I thought ‘Right I’ve gotta, you know, I’ve had the treatment now for one thing, you know, my ovaries are okay, maybe I should get my other part of my life, you know, back on track. And I just thought ‘Right I’ve gotta do this’, and, I really went out all at work. Being a hairdresser it’s hard because they don’t allow you to have lunch breaks. They’ll give you a lunch break and you’ll miss it and you know, for a while I took to drinks it’s like, there was nothing better to do and it was a way of getting sugar into my body without eating solid food because my weight started to be an issue. And I just thought ‘I’ve got, I’ve gotta change this, I’ve gotta find a better way out’, and I, you know, you get so depressed with it, it gets on top of you with, always constantly morning, noon and night having to check it that you just think ‘Oh if I don’t do it tomorrow afternoon or if I don’t do it now is it going to matter?’ And you think ‘Yeah, eventually it does.

I mean I was lucky, I went on the internet and found my partner and he’s kind of grounded me. He’s made me realise that your health really is the main thing that you’ve gotta cope with. And I don’t know how I’ve gone through that ten years with the way I’ve treated my diabetes, because in a way I’ve found out all the things with it I can do, and I feel I’ve cheated sometimes because I’ve, managed to keep my sugars down by what I’ve eaten instead of the medication.

You know, the, with me I’m always, I don’t know what it is’ I’m always somebody that I’ll say, ‘Okay right, what I want is. Because I’m like, I think I’m just so busy trying to control my life, it’s just so out of control, I like structure. I want structure and I want someone to say [bang] ‘Eat this on Tuesday, that on Wednesday” I feel that would work for me better than just, ‘Well you know, you can eat so many of… You know me, I’m somebody who needs’ That’s why I’m always watching these, I need someone like, I don’t know about Gillian McKeith, but I need somebody whos sort of like, ‘This is your diet, this is your sheet and what you’re going to eat for today’ Yeah? ‘And tomorrow it’s going to be like this. And it’d be sort of weighed out and, that’s me. But I can’t do that myself.

I mean it’s that as well, and I think I’m sort of like got a very sedentary life as well these days, for someone of my age you know. I sort of tend to come home from work – I’m tired, the journey coming back from work is like two and a half hours long – I get in, I’m exhausted. I mean, whos going to start cooking healthy options? You know, when you can get a big, fat burger out of the freezer, shove it in the bloody’ You know oven and make some oven chips? You know, things that I never used to actually eat.

Well I mean to start with I was just incredibly careful. I mean when I was in hospital I didn’t have much appetite anyway. I sort of cut out sugar pretty well completely. The trouble is I don’t like vegetables all that much, so I eat quite a lot of fruit. The trouble is when I’m working, it does get, it just gets very difficult. I mean whenever I am staying in the Travel Lodge I have their sort of breakfast box which is cornflakes, I mean it’s alright, not that bad, but I often end up eating in Little Chefs which is usually chips with everything.

So, I mean I don’t know back here I try and do everything Marks and Spencer’s just down the road, which does lots of good healthy food. So I try the 5-a-day, although I quite often don’t manage it, sometimes I manage considerably more than that. So to that extent I’m certainly not perfect and I manage. My friend with diabetes said you can have a doughnut occasionally as long as you view it as a special treat, and so I mean I tend to do that – more than I should I expect.

You know I know I ought to be counting calories all the time, and this, that and the other and making sure, but I just do it in a very broad-brush way and as I say I tried to eats lots of Drink fruit juice, although fruit juice has got fruit sugar. It just gets’ You know as I say I’m just not prepared to make myself miserable and let my life be taken over by diabetes to the extent that I spend all the day planning meals.

I mean I’ve got a diabetic cookbook and that sort of thing, but again, you know its’ I… most of the things I get are prepared but luckily Marks and Spencer’s have now started doing the good ‘nutritionally balanced meals’, which’ I had one last night, roast pork and vegetables, it was very you know easy – four minutes in the microwave – and it was actually was lots of vegetables, and whatever. I think it probably was’ It certainly looked healthy from what they said on the packet.